tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post878436450243399381..comments2024-03-19T08:23:24.309-07:00Comments on Tom Cochrun /Light Breezes: CALIBRATING FREE SPEECHTom Cochrunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04046822056852446079noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-48040029618437082272017-08-25T14:52:09.118-07:002017-08-25T14:52:09.118-07:00I've taken heat from a few folks for advocatin...I've taken heat from a few folks for advocating what many consider could be a "domino effect" reduction of rights of free speech. "Eliminate one cause you can eliminate all causes." I don't think so, because international law has ruled on nazi ideology and the evil it has done. A 2017 nazi is still a nazi. Tom Cochrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046822056852446079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-21264675562252912022017-08-24T13:18:08.478-07:002017-08-24T13:18:08.478-07:00I think we should take a lesson from Germany, wher...I think we should take a lesson from Germany, where giving the nazi salute and things similar are illegal. They have more experience with the effects of nazism than any country. <br />It's interesting that until recently the most sacred and oft-quoted by the neocons and their ilk was the second amendment. Now it's the first. Should Fish Morehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13038376492887695725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-61834236047918609792017-08-24T13:11:55.255-07:002017-08-24T13:11:55.255-07:00Well said, Tom.
Well said, Tom. <br />Should Fish Morehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13038376492887695725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-7688460761052312142017-08-23T13:53:54.960-07:002017-08-23T13:53:54.960-07:00A lesson learned by gay activists.A lesson learned by gay activists.Jagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15854309313920685901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-75745849491753465282017-08-22T23:00:48.489-07:002017-08-22T23:00:48.489-07:00The issue is nazism. The evils of the past are rel...The issue is nazism. The evils of the past are relevant and should inform our actions. You cannot separate the 1932-1942 Nazi actions from those who avow allegiance or advocate the nazi idea today. They are part of a continuim. To permit nazi ideas to be expressed or more importantly publicly displayed is an affront to the victims of the nazi ideology. History has judged that ideology to out of the bounds of humanity and violent by its nature, and dangerous to civilization.<br /><br />White supremacists do damage and harm to the psychology and emotional well being of non whites. Their view is by nature destructive and therefore harmful to the mental health of other citizens. Their view does emotional violence. That puts them outside legal interpretation of who is entitled to first amendment protection.<br />This who incite violence or harm are not so entitled. I agree, it is a slippery slope but in the case of white supremacist and certainly nazis, the argument to deny has validity.Tom Cochrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046822056852446079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-71418440245272489552017-08-22T22:49:40.125-07:002017-08-22T22:49:40.125-07:00I think we can protect free speech in its fullest ...I think we can protect free speech in its fullest iteration and deem anything linked to nazism as illegal and out of bounds of humanity and thus also out of bounds of the protections of the first amendment. <br /><br />As for the I-R-A you cite--we live in dangerous times. The evils of the past are relevant and should inform our actions. You cannot separate the 1932-1942 Nazi actions from those who avow allegiance or advocate the nazi idea today.Tom Cochrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046822056852446079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-72985668066790647652017-08-22T22:44:01.731-07:002017-08-22T22:44:01.731-07:00He used the word. It's a trigger word. It seem...He used the word. It's a trigger word. It seems inappropriate for a person like me to use the word. One of the guys in NWA-I think it was Ice Cube said they had appropriated the word-once used by non Blacks as a disparaging word-and were making it their own. That is appropriate. Tom Cochrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046822056852446079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-52958385069280633452017-08-22T19:59:33.326-07:002017-08-22T19:59:33.326-07:00Let's not forget that it's possible to be ...Let's not forget that it's possible to be a white supremacist and even call yourself a neo-Nazi "just" because you think the races should be separated and that non-whites should have fewer rights without advocating violence or physical harm. So, would you limit someone's speech solely for advocating those viewpoints because they identify themselves as white supremacists or neo-Nazis? What if the called themselves "real Americans" instead?Rick Hoppehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14983414965650110591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-39941384121419888892017-08-22T19:08:58.288-07:002017-08-22T19:08:58.288-07:00Indeed, a tough one. I wonder what happens when a...Indeed, a tough one. I wonder what happens when an intolerant, racist asshole gets in power and gets to appoint Supreme Court justices and also has Congress on his/her side, because then that I-R-A can possibly alter the standards, even to the point of, say, considering a particular religion to be hateful and harmful and thus illegal. Are we far from that now?STEVE FIGLERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09915119676694280929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-63861362250534806472017-08-22T18:23:58.193-07:002017-08-22T18:23:58.193-07:00I remember Gregory saying that he hoped the next t...I remember Gregory saying that he hoped the next time his mother heard the word, "N*&%er," it would be someone making reference to his book.stephen Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17659054447637207734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-73557566900664305652017-08-22T12:30:18.792-07:002017-08-22T12:30:18.792-07:00And my good friend, I refer you to my response abo...And my good friend, I refer you to my response above.Tom Cochrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046822056852446079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-86033717896521819422017-08-22T12:29:48.968-07:002017-08-22T12:29:48.968-07:00I did not come to my view easily. I respect your a...I did not come to my view easily. I respect your attitude and suggest the very history of the nazi movement and that of white supremacists put them in the category of advocating violence and harm to persons. You cannot operate death camps or advocate slavery and avoid advocating violence and harm. Nor can you separate today's nazi from those in Germany nor today's white nationalists from the confederacy. You are for pulling down the statues of confederate leaders-I am for applying court decisions to the criminals active today.Tom Cochrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046822056852446079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-48797605759844681402017-08-22T11:41:49.751-07:002017-08-22T11:41:49.751-07:00I must agree with Mr. Hoppe.I must agree with Mr. Hoppe.Catalysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03804837416104556928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010559333082508395.post-22107162499763709782017-08-22T11:26:50.238-07:002017-08-22T11:26:50.238-07:00I don't think government should be in the busi...I don't think government should be in the business of restricting any speech or expression except as permitted under existing Supreme Court decisions, e.g., advocating or intentionally inciting violence or harm to persons or property. This is one slippery slope we should avoid.Rick Hoppehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14983414965650110591noreply@blogger.com